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Oct. 18th, 2004 02:53 pm
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Eric Raymond flips allll the way over into the cult of tradition with a resounding thud:

"A deadly genius is a talent so impressive that he can break and remake all the rules of the form, and seduce others into trying to emulate his disruptive brilliance -- even when those followers lack the raw ability or grounding to make art in the new idiom the the genius has defined."

He then goes on to explain that Picasso, Coltrane, Joyce, Schoenberg, and Brancusi killed their respective fields by being so brilliant. For bonus points, he posits that the problem was caused by the death of the patronage system. You see, once artists were permitted to do whatever they liked, some of them produced deadly work.

The former sentence is not an exaggeration. The exact quote: "Geniuses were not permitted to become deadly." I.e., geniuses were not allowed to break and remake all the rules of the form. And, in Eric Raymond's eyes, this was a good thing.

This obsession with safety over risk is really getting out of hand.

Date: 2004-10-18 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] multiplexer.livejournal.com
cockloaf (n.)
Entymology: A compound formed from the words "cock" (slang for penis) and "loaf," as in bread.
1. A derogatory term. Colloquial use indicates it means: "like pimento loaf, but with more dick."
2. Eric Raymond.

How do you read this stuff, Bryant? Or do you just read it for the sheer unmitigated humour value? If it got any more pointlessly pretentious, it would be one of his new-new rising from the dead ultramodern sculptures.

Date: 2004-10-18 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadasc.livejournal.com
He then goes on to explain that Picasso, Coltrane, Joyce, Schoenberg, and Brancusi killed their respective fields by being so brilliant.

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Date: 2004-10-18 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] editswlonghair.livejournal.com
You can put this jackass next to Novak on the 'Douchebag for Liberty' pedestal.

Date: 2004-10-18 08:48 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (bowler)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I beg to differ. All of ESR's pretentions have a point: "I'm ESR, baby! Now suck on my gun! Suck it!"

Date: 2004-10-18 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] multiplexer.livejournal.com
I have been informed by the Management that Eric S. Raymond's designation has been elevated from cockloaf to dickbiscuit. Ie, a hard, crumbly, chewy, halfway digestable biscuit made of dick.

ESR makes the modron cry.

Date: 2004-10-18 09:03 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (bofh)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
Here, buy a shirt (by [livejournal.com profile] mjg59).

Date: 2004-10-19 12:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gentlyepigrams
My thought is that this is almost Straussian (as well as I, a non-poli-sci type, understand Strauss): only the elite can experiment, because breaking the mold is only for the elite. Compare this to Strauss on religion and why public unbelief shouldn't be tolerated and I think the analogy will be clear.

Date: 2004-10-19 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilhat.livejournal.com
That blog entry also betrays an absolutely breathtaking lack of knowledge about the various art forms he cites, particularly their history and development after those particular supposed inflection-point artists.

Touch of Death!

Date: 2004-10-19 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordwolf.livejournal.com

I'd never heard of Eric Raymond before reading this quotation, but it's certainly thought-provoking. On a day when I need to be provoked. I don't know anything about his background or politics. But my instant rejoinders would be:

1. All genius is deadly. Whether in theoretical physics or in art, the most consistent form of advance seems to be some kind of punctuated equilibrium. It's a beautiful and necessary thing. Geniuses sweep away their precursors (as Harold Bloom continues to hammer), and move things along, and then get swept away by their successors. Nothing has ever been brought to a standstill by this process, except fields that needed to be killed or replaced, like alchemy and antiquarianism.

2. Patronage has been essential to this process, because it's the masses, or more recently the consumers, who get the most cross when geniuses break and remake their forms. The masses only appreciate genius in hindsight, which is why modern patronage (arts and blue-sky science endowments) are so essential.

3. The only way to remind ourselves of this is to try to simulate past response to innovation. Not so hard in the sciences, but in the arts, this requires immersion and some careful forgetting. The example one of my profs used was, "Read mediocre mid-eighteenth-century poetry solidly for a week, and then read 'Kubla Khan.'"

Thanks as always for sharing interesting bits!

Exactly what I thought...

Date: 2004-10-19 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelessgame.livejournal.com
on reading this. Straussian elitism.

(Isn't there some irony in considering that emacs has done for the text editor approximately what Ulysses has done for the novel?)

I had him pegged as a screaming idealogue (for which I now have an exciting new synonym: 'cockloaf' -- thanks multiplexer) long before 9/11. Ideology over empiricism leads to error, regardless of how attractive the ideology.

Re: Exactly what I thought...

Date: 2004-10-19 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelessgame.livejournal.com
ok, now you've got me. I've used things like the Schwartzian Transform in code (without knowing its name till now; my degree doesn't say 'CS', after all). What's the superior alternative?

ah. thanks.

Date: 2004-10-19 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelessgame.livejournal.com
The obfuscated perl is the suck.

this being a truism independent of context...

$do_it = "write unreadable codemash"; "there's more than one way to $do_it";

but I'm not nearly good enough at perl to make that properly obfuscated. My perl looks mostly like C.

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