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Feb. 17th, 2003 01:09 pm
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And then I wonder: how did we go from this to this?

Date: 2003-02-17 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelessgame.livejournal.com

Talk about a question that answers itself. Our leadership saw it as capital to be expended, and their actions indicate a wish to expend all the capital they can while they have the chance.

Date: 2003-02-17 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tayefeth.livejournal.com
Maybe, just maybe, it has to do with the utter lack of convincing evidence that Iraq had anything to do with an attack on the US or its allies since Kuwait. Saying 'Ha-ha, you deserved that' is not the same as funding terrorists, no matter what Shrub, Jr. claims.

Date: 2003-02-17 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tayefeth.livejournal.com
He had the world's sympathy, but he expected that a) it would last forever and b) it would apply to all actions he claimed as 'self-defense'. Even if you start with a pro-Bush perspective, to expect that the rest of the world will be gung-ho supportive of everything because of 9/11 is to assume that the rest of the world is utterly moronic.

Date: 2003-02-17 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelessgame.livejournal.com
And yet they actually seem to think he's doing great. So from their perspective he didn't blow it. Why?

The conclusion I draw is this: to them, pissing off the rest of the world is not irrelevant, it is in fact the goal. The militarist foreign policy position is that the intentions of other nations are of no consequence; it is other nations' /capabilities/ that are the only concern, because this is all we can directly affect through our own military force.

This wasn't possible prior to 9/11 because the American people wouldn't put up with it.

Keep in mind these were the same people who, during Reagan's tenure, made no secret of their desire to eviscerate and ignore the UN as much as possible. They don't believe in multilateralism, nor in the goodwill of other nations -- just nod to it enough to pacify the American voters. Militarist isolationism.

In other words: we will do what we want; if other nations are coincidentally willing to be our allies, that's good because it makes our goals easier; if not, screw them; but in no case will we compromise our goals for the sake of what others want. Adolescence as foreign policy: anyone we cannot control we cannot affect, so don't bother to try. Sympathy will inevitably vanish eventually, so grab the opportunity to expend the sympathy capital immediately. It's a foreign policy triumph for those who think like this, and as far as I can tell, that's who's in charge.

Why piss off the rest of the world? To *prevent the world from trusting us*, making it impossible for Bush's successors to produce non-militaristic international security. They won't trust us ever again because we've shown ourselves capable of electing people like this. Twice, now (Reagan was much the same, but he lacked 9/11 to make the case for permanent militarism to the American people).

I draw a parallel to fiscal policy: huge financial deficits mirroring huge foreign-relations deficits, putting future presidents into a horrible bind and preventing them from changing national direction. The very concept of American-led multilateralism is becoming laughable for the /long term/. It is an attempt to recast the nation far beyond the current conflict or current administration; to wall off America by showing the desires and opinions of the rest of the world to be irrelevant to our actions. The desired state is that we must maintain, forever, a huge military to keep our shores secure, because we will no longer be able to assure our security by diplomatic, non-military means (the militarist viewpoint is that we never could) -- the rest of the world will view us as adolescent promise-breakers, and not trust us again, even after we return adult supervision to the government.

And again, this is a triumph to the people in charge because they never /believed/ in security through non-military means. This solution is believed to be real long-term security because it does not depend on shifting alliances or shifting public opinion. It is, in my opinion (only), the logical conclusion (bordering on ad absurdum) of libertarian thought applied to international relations -- one is responsible only to oneself for one's security, and responsible not at all for the well-being of others; and one's security is only achieved via the barrel of a gun.

Date: 2003-02-18 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelessgame.livejournal.com
Bush is telling us something a little darker -- he's saying that the /only/ path to safety is through Iraq. The only path to peace is through aggression. Sharon is a man of peace, Bush is a man of peace, that's why we're making war.

I cannot believe that we aren't howling more about Powell using a graduate student's error-filled paper as evidence for war against Iraq -- that we are putting this in front of the /United Nations/. (Robert Scheer called this "the smoking gun" of American policy bankruptcy. I personally think it's Powell doing his absolute best to discredit Rumsfeld, by putting the worst possible face on the presentation he was ordered to give, and essentially falling on his sword.)

I cannot believe we aren't howling more about Bush using words like 'a threat to peace' to describe other people.

I cannot believe we're not pointing more fingers and shouting more loudly at the paper trail showing an Iraq occupation as a long-term plot by Bush's senior advisors, going back to the mid-90s at least. They saw the opportunity and took it.

And then I realize how effectively Bush plays on our fears and insecurities, and I understand.

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